Wednesday, May 24, 2006

With great power...

..comes opportunity to cause great harm; as has been shown time and time again throughout history. However, it takes courage to shoot yourself in the leg when you are doing well in the race. I am sure most of the people who read this are aghast at Arjun Singh's amendment to the constitution. Apart from the obvious losers - meritorius students, no one really benefits from the move. Maybe a politician or two can hawk it for more votes.

- Over the last couple of years the Indian economy has been booming. India is finally becoming competitive on a global scale. Unlike China, whose selling point is labor, India's selling point is knowledge. There are a large number of educated people in India, who are willing to work for much less than their American counterparts. Sitting in Bangalore, Wipro and Infosys are able to compete globally. Boundaries are steadily fading, and what you can do counts for a whole lot more than who you are. Over the next few years there will be a lot of scope for enterpreunerial activity. In the US, startup activity pushed by the top .1% of the population has created jobs and wealth for the remaining 99.9%. Unless you are willing to promote this top 0.1% the remaining 99.9% aren't going to benefit. I can see the same happening in India. Dividing the country on caste lines is probably as regressive as you can get.

- Life is unfair. Face it. Money attracts more money. Talent attracts more talent. The guy in the Ferrari gets the townhouse and the pretty girl. 90% of Nobel Prizes go to professors from about 5-6 universities. These universities are consistently able to attract top talent simply because of the brand created due to previous generations of top talent. It takes a while to get there, but it's a position of strength. Harvard has an endowment of $5+ billion. Thats more than India's Education budget (spanning all levels from primary school to univesity). It produces a steady stream of highly successful individuals who come back to contribute to it. IITs are close to that now. Many of it's graduates from the 70's and 80's are in positions of power and wealth, and many have chosen to contribute monetarily, or come back and teach. An arbitrary reservation system would alienate it's alumni, as well as having repurcussions 20 years down the line when it's current students are probably not as successful as they should be.

- Though, it might come as a shock, the IITs, in the past have had a reservation for rich, yes rich, students. It was through this program called DASA - Direct Admissions for Students Abroad. NRI kids who score above 1400 on the SAT were allowed in. The only downer was that they had to pay about $8000 a year, about 10 times what most of the others paid paid. Surprisingly, once they got in, many either left in a semester or two, or remained to get massacred. They totally lacked the background to compete with those who got in through the JEE. They end up taking jobs they would have got even if they hadn't made it through IIT. They would have been better off paying a bit more and going to the US for their studies. A similar thing happens to those that get in through the SC/ST reservation system. With the introduction of the 50% reservation this phenomenon is going to be taken to an absurd level. The top half of the class is going to be way smarter, simply because the same position is so much harder to get. The bottom half of the class is going to be way weaker, simply because the standards are so much laxer for them. There is going to be a large variance of skill. A Professor catering to one half of the class, would leave the other half in a bad position.

- Also, even if this were a legitimate move to help 'backward' students, I really haven't seen the system work till now. Most of the 'backward' students who get in happen to be quite well off. I think the real bias is towards urban and rural. Students in urban communities have better opportunties to prepare for the exam than rural students. This is something I feel should be addressed.

- Rather than lowering the bar it makes more sense to teach the same 'backward' segments to jump higher. Why not give 10000 scholarships to gifted SC/ST/OBC students every year, give them the best possible academic training, and get them to write the same exam.

- This affair also raises the question of equality. How is it to be interpreted? Do all people have an equal right to opportunity or outcome? Meaning, do all people have an equal right to write the Joint Entrance Exam or get a seat in the IITs. The two are very different exam.

- A story that most comes to mind is of the duck that laid golden eggs. It wasn't a good idea for the farmer to cut it open.

There are some interesting articles that I have come across over the last few days.
Karan Thapar interviews Arjun Singh
M Balakrishnan, Professor, IIT Delhi
Photos of Police Violence Against Students- SHOCKING!!

PS: Though, I have been self-absorbed enough to speak only of the IITs, I was referring to other educational institutions as well. I would be loathe to have my heart operated upon by a doctor with dubious skills!
PPS: There is an E-Petition doing the rounds. I am tempted to provide a link to it, but somehow I feel it is pointless. I really don't think anyone is going to give a rats ass about it :).

20 comments:

alraqs said...

~ you make valid points...unfortunately in this case its sort of boiled down into politics...AS seemingly is interested in PM ship or something similarly high...So hes pulling this stunt...kids are protesting, going on fasts, etc...who's listening??
~When the students now termed as 'quota' entrants join in, not necessarily all of them will be in the bottom half, thats not fair to say...not all those who get in through merit exams stay in that top half...other factors play into sustained performance...but in terms of social intergration into the colleges they get into, what of that? especially considering the rural/urban divides...
~ yes in an ideal world, we would have scholarships

alraqs said...

another article--
http://indianexpress.com/story/4824._.html

Artful Badger said...

will read the article..
Yes, thats what I heard. Many people in the Congress party are opposed to it. He is getting back at the party through this stunt.
But, why 172-2???
Well, but from what I have seen, on an average the quoto entrant does worse than a non quota.
The Urban/Rural divide is very much there. The students become the 'English speaking Madras/Bang/Delhi' crowd and the local language speaking 'country' crowd.
I can't understand the sudden need for this.
Elections are far away. No one has really been campainging for reservation. Very strange.

alraqs said...

yeah, who knows with these people...I mean like the affirmative action in the US, they have programs right from grade school to help families with access to lesser education...not that AA is all rosy, but it makes so, so much more sense...
~ and theres branding even without quotas, like you said...it'll only get worse with them, and that stinks for the person, but its obviously going to happen...so do you go for the 'dream' that was presented to you by the poiticos and end up quite possibly not feeling too good about it?
~ I don't know, things seemed relatively fair thus far, you study hard, you get in...doesn't matter if your super rich or super poor...and it really should be left at that...help with the studying, coaching, books whatever, but leave the rest to the students...

Artful Badger said...

[jay-san] so you are finally back :)..
same here...most of the links that are posted up are from the barrage of forwards...
i think it is almost universally applicable..atleast thats what i think..
even now many of the profs are cleanly 'shady'..
[alraqs] yeah..i mean if someone has a broken leg..you see how you can fix it..you don't give him crutches for life!!..
yeah seriiously..i won't be too surprised if non quota students hold quota students in contempt...looking at all the tension in the system..
exactly...a 75 year old geezer interfering is not a good idea..
[intern] so you did put it up after all..
yes...but you don't give them crutches...how about large scale merit based scholarships..identify 20,000 students a year from backward communities and poor families at a young age..and give them incentives from perform..take all toppers from the 8th standard level in corporation schools and give them the opportunity and resources to succeed...
i am saying...yes help them..but there are better ways to do it!..
if you aren't skilled enough..you need to focus on becoming more skilled..lowering the standards is a cheap trick..

Artful Badger said...

Yes thats what I am saying. Pull them up. Don't lower the bar.

Anonymous said...

http://www.hindu.com/2006/05/23/stories/2006052305841100.htm

Read this if and when u have time

Prashanth said...

Glad to see a more organized article than my angry rail last month :)

Will be back with a longer comment after I read the links to articles that I haven't read before...

P.S. Blogrolling seems to be malfunctioning, it didn't show the update to your blog or Alraqs' - hence I'm late.

Prashanth said...

The situation of the people who came into the IITs through reservation or the DASA category (I guess the DASA thing has been removed now) is known to all IITians. If the reservation is increased, the profs will be left with the devil's alternative: let all the weak students struggle, or lower the standard of education and let everyone do well. I am dumbstruck by the near-unanimous vote in the parliament to let this happen. And to soothe the incensed forward classes, they want to increase the intake of students?! That's compounding the folly. I know how it feels to be in a single classroom with 125 other students for a fresher course (at last count it was up to 150). I know how it feels to be in an advanced engineering course with 50 other students. The smaller the class, the better the students learn. It's the most obvious thing in the world. Increasing the student intake, and the reservation percentage, together will reduce the IITs to mediocrity, rather than the elite status they enjoy across the world.

Artful Badger said...

The article was pretty interesting...
Exactly..I hated all those huge classes with 200+ students. It became so much better with a smaller saner class.
Its ridiculous. Its like you are doing everything possible to dilute it. These politicians will do anything for a good vote.

Aravinthan said...

POliticians have to come out of the mindset of 19th century. May be SC/SCts deserve reservations for the opression. I never seen any opression of backward classes.. when are they opressed? They are ones that actually opressed the SCs and STs. And now they getting the reservation is just ridiculous.
One main aim of the reservation is to bring up the live of an opressed citizen, from very poor conditions to make him economically viable to serve his life. If this is the cause, the reservations in the undergrad level is ok. Why you need in post graduate level?
Its like i have tasted the lazness in undergraduate level... let me enjoy this at every level.
More pathetic is one where reservations are in place at govt orgranizations for promiotions.. tell me one thing, when you are working in a company, every one are already equal.. why you need reservations for promotions among equals!! These are just vote bank politics.. They are spoiling a great nation.

Jai Hind
Aravinthan.

alraqs said...

hmmm...big classes are such a bore, such a pain, such misery...but really what can you do other than start more schools and colleges (and strengthen them ideally)...coz it doesn't seem like our families are going to stop growing anytime soon...the kids will keep on coming...what do you do with them other than cram them into a single class...anyway...thats a different story altogether.

intern--
did I catch you leave a comment at 330 am?...was that a wake up hour? :)

my word verification today is 'rimlo'...nice.

Rhapsoder said...

I put up some pics of the protest by the AIIMS students in Delhi against the proposed reservation quotas.

http://rhapsoder.blogspot.com/2006/05/mandal-ized.html

Pretty brutal police treatment!

Artful Badger said...

[jaysan] Though many might be against this, I think they really cannot take a stand openly. Their job is to teach, and how the students are assigned to them is out of their purview. But, it is going to be ridiculous. Even now with the mega mess and other things, IIT no longer has the old feel where you know everyone. It feels like on of these large US universitites.
[aravinthan] Exactly! There has to be some stage where you remove the crutches and it goes on merit. Crutches are good till you learn how to walk. You cannot do crutches your whole life!! Its not fair to the others.
[alraqs] Yes. Somehow the large public university doesn't have the feel of a smaller place where you know everyone. Everything seems to be so impersonal and large scale.
Rimlo? I like the short ones. The long word verifications really do get on my nerves.
[manu] Will have a look at it. Thanks.
I heard one of them died. Shocking. He should have really been more careful. There is no point dying for a cause for which no one cares.

R said...

Keep blogging, and welcome to the 'real world' ... a bit different from being a PIGG?

- MB
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sd said...

Very well written post. Except for your definition for equality, I agree with everything. Equality should be based on ability, while scores/marks or performance in exams is a function of ability and economical support ( unless the person is a genius)..

Artful Badger said...

[mb] thanks!
[intern] I have done that in grad school. It ruins your sleep cycle and schedule.
[sd] Hmm...well it should be based on ability..what I am suggesting is to keep the exam the same but give backward students access to free teaching resources..so that they can get to speed..

Anonymous said...

At first sight I thought "not another rant about reservation!". As I read most of the post and the comments I sighed a bit of a relief.

Now all I can wonder is:
Are people really so concerned as to talk about it?
Yet aren't that concerned enough to do something about it?
Then what's the use of the former?

Perhaps caste based reservation may be eliminated, but can the caste system itself be obliterated? As long as "caste" is given importance, the subsequent consequences are simply inevitable.

Anonymous said...

PS: Does Rhine become Rhone or other way round or am I wrong?

Artful Badger said...

[silpa] heh..well i hoped not to get too worked up about it...
well..there is little you can do about it!!...arjun singh went through with his plan despite all the protests..i am sure he doesn't care...
it really isn't that useful..just makes you feel a little batter...

i think the rhine and rhone are different rivers..one flows into the mediterranean and the other flows up..off near hamburg..
the saone joins the rhone..at Lyon..